The Divine Truth Message of Jesus and Mary

I’m not sure how well known this is outside Australia, but a couple here claim to be Jesus and Mary Magdalene, soulmates who have reincarnated on earth as Alan John Miller (“AJ”) and Mary Suzanne Luck. Currently based in Kingaroy, Queensland, they teach a message of Divine Truth. I only became aware of the situation while browsing YouTube, where various hatchet jobs by current affairs TV shows can be found. Predictably, the shows portray the pair as dangerous, chilling cult leaders. Rather than provide links to these offerings (they are easily locatable on YouTube), I will allow the corresponding Wikipedia entry to suffice. It is actually no more informative than the TV shows, and about as hostile. So, finding myself none the wiser and by now intrigued, I decided to look into the matter.

An internet search soon uncovered the Divine Truth website, which provides copious written materials and many hours of video presentations free of charge, with more planned for the future. In sampling the presentations, it soon became evident that the stories told by the current affairs journalists and Wikipedia entry were off base. Most notably, despite allegations to the contrary, AJ does not claim to be God but an ordinary man who in the first century found a way to ‘at-onement’ with God, a way that he teaches is open equally to all. Above all, AJ emphasizes the importance of developing a desire for truth and love in a spirit of humility.

What follows is an attempt at an introductory point-form summary of AJ and Mary’s teachings about themselves and the universe. To the best of my understanding, they assert the following:

— The Christian doctrine of the trinity is a false teaching
— Jesus was just a regular person who found a way to at-onement with God while still on earth, a way that can be followed by all
— God is a soul entity, outside and independent of the universe
— Neither Jesus nor anybody else is, or ever can be, God
— By the term ‘holy spirit’ in the first century Jesus meant one of the energies of God, specifically the energy that enables at-onement (other energies of God include the energy of creativity and the energy of life)
— The doctrine of the crucifixion as a sacrifice for the sins of others is a false teaching
— God is loving, not punishing or vengeful
— The path to God is either through the ‘law of compensation’ (karma) or ‘divine love’ (which Jesus called ‘the way’)
— God creates each soul as one half of a whole (‘soul mates’) that can eventually join as one (in ‘soul union’) after incarnating separately on earth and advancing further in the spirit and celestial realms
— A proportion of soul mates are of the same gender
— Reincarnation as normally taught is a false teaching, but can occur as a matter of free will in cases where soul mates reach union, which doesn’t occur until sphere 36 (in earlier presentations AJ speaks of 22 spheres, or dimensions, but now recalls more)
— Jesus, Mary and some others (seven soulmate pairs in total) chose to reincarnate to teach, since the aim, ultimately, is to raise the state of earth to that of the highest sphere
— There are 6 spheres that can be traversed through ‘natural love’ (irrespective of beliefs, and utilizing the love with which God has imbued us)
— The 7th sphere can only be reached through ‘divine love’ which requires genuine longing for God’s divine truth and love in humility (this is ‘the way’)
— Humility has a special definition, in this context, as a longing to feel one’s emotions so as to release negative emotions (without acting upon them) and embracing gifts
— ‘Prayer’ also has a particular definition, referring to a genuine longing for God’s truth and love, felt in the heart, not in words spoken aloud or in the mind
— God never communicates with us through words, only through feelings
— If we hear words or voices, they are those of spirits (people who have died on earth and now live somewhere in the spirit world), who, depending on their ‘fruits’ may be discerned as loving (and higher than us, seeking to help us) or unloving
— The 7th sphere is the lowest of the ‘celestial spheres’
— There are currently 36 spheres
— It is always possible for a person to visit spheres lower than the one they have currently attained but normally not higher spheres (although occasionally this can occur, if deemed appropriate, with the help of someone from a higher sphere)
— Jesus was the first on this planet (though not the first if other planets are included) to reach the 36th sphere, but by now others on this planet have also reached it
— Jesus of the first century did not reach the 36th sphere straight from earth, but the 10th sphere
— This is the highest a human has ever entered the spirit world straight from earth
— The vast majority of people enter the spirit world in the 1st sphere (which has many levels), some in the 2nd, and a rare few in the 3rd
— It is difficult to enter straight into the 3rd sphere because this requires living completely in truth (no facade) on earth
— Nevertheless, life goes on in the spirit world, where progress can continue indefinitely
— At-onement with God is required before entering the 7th sphere, and this can only be done through divine love
— Perfection in natural love is sufficient to be in the 6th sphere (which is the original level of the Garden of Eden)
— Since ‘the fall’ (which involved humans wanting or believing themselves to be God), the state of earth has descended to the equivalent of the hells (lower parts of sphere 1) in the spirit world
— However, sphere 1 has many levels, the highest of which are much better than the current state of earth, while the lowest are much worse
— Children who die enter ‘summer land’, which is the top of the 1st sphere, and receive further instruction
— So, for each soul, there is really just one (potentially infinite) life that continues from the material earthly life through the spirit life
— A person has a soul, spirit body and material body
— The spirit body has more capabilities than the material body, and increasingly so as the state of the soul progresses
— Art, music, science, philosophy, etc., continue in the spirit world, at a higher level than currently occurs on earth (except in the lowest parts of the 1st sphere)
— Actions on earth affect the state of the soul, both positively and negatively, and the effects continue to be worked through in the spirit body and spirit world
— There is no Satan, although the most degraded souls are currently worse than any Satan we could probably imagine
— Even so, the hells are not a permanent state, unless chosen by the soul, and all can eventually reach at-onement with God if they desire it
— Like attracts like: the current state of the soul determines the location in the spirit world, and this location will be populated by like-minded spirits
— Death of the material body can be confusing because of false beliefs accumulated on earth through religion, philosophy, politics, science, etc.
— Accordingly, there are still different religious beliefs (including atheism), ideologies, etc., in the first 6 spheres of the spirit world
— The best attitude is never to be adamant about beliefs that are not really known to be true, but rather to be open to truth (be in humility)
— With this attitude, progress can be quite rapid in the spirit world, because spirits in higher states are keen to help spirits in lower states if they are willing to learn new truth
— This process also occurs on earth, but because of the low state of earth, many of the influences are negative (since even spirits in the lowest condition of love have access to the first sphere)
— Here, too, like attracts like: negative spirits are attracted to those in a negative state on earth, while higher spirits seek to help those receptive to reaching a higher state
— However, we are all a mix of positive and negative, and so are subjected to both positive and negative influences, which requires discernment
— Closed-mindedness holds back progress; for instance, a guru perfect in natural love who believes him or herself to be God would be temporarily stuck (albeit blissfully) in the 6th sphere
— At-onement involves not only acting lovingly but wanting to act in that way; for example, adulterous thoughts are “adultery in the heart”
— Wanting to act in accordance with love is possible by processing (but not acting upon) the ‘causal emotions’ underneath the unloving desire and, above all, by desiring and receiving God’s divine love
— Love does not demand anything of anybody else or seek to control, and is self-fulfilled, so sometimes what we think of as loving is not, and vice versa
— For example, if something feels like self-sacrifice it is unloving to self, so either the recipient of the act is being unloving in receiving it or the actor does not yet have desires in accord with love
— The material body is connected to the spirit body by a silver cord
— In the sleep state, the spirit body (which does not need rest) leaves the material body to engage with other people in the sleep state
— Someone who represses emotions in the material body may act out the emotions, whether positive or negative, in the sleep state, due to more transparency in the spirit world, and in doing so affect their soul condition
— It is possible to remember the sleep state activities of the spirit body, but we usually don’t
— A dream just before waking is usually our spirit body trying to send our material mind a message to help us remember something relevant to our emotional state
— Alternatively, though less frequently, a dream can be a snippet remembered from the sleep state

The above summary gives undue weight to the claims AJ and Mary make about themselves and the universe, basically because the media has deliberately misrepresented them at this basic level. However, the vast majority of video time (probably 90+%) concerns ‘the way’ to receiving divine truth and love.

The Divine Truth message, as AJ and Mary point out, builds on earlier work: 1) The Padgett Messages (in four volumes), 2) the Through the Mists trilogy, and 3) the writings of Emanuel Swedenborg.

The videos can be found on the Divine Truth and Divine Truth FAQ YouTube channels. An interesting place to start is the section called Overview of Divine Truth Series, especially “Secrets of the Universe” and “The Way”.

There is also a two-part interview (here and here) with AJ about his first-century life as Jesus.

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27 thoughts on “The Divine Truth Message of Jesus and Mary

  1. This is actually my field, so I feel qualified to speak somewhat authoritatively about it as a scholar. This is hardly an unusual phenomenon. Many have claimed to be the reincarnation of various spiritual luminaries of the past, including Jesus, of course, but also Buddha and other spiritual luminaries unfamiliar in the West. Some of these claimants attract large followings, sometimes numbering in the millions worldwide.

    Sometimes the claim is that the claimant has divine status. At other times the claim is only one of reincarnation, as in this instance. There is quite a bit of variation in the claims, but there is a family resemblance running through them, which is often the name of some deceased spiritual luminary.

    The obvious issue is that of agreeing on suitable criteria for assessing such claims. One of the obvious problems is cognitive bias, especially confirmation bias, and other is, of course, credulity. As they say, “some people believe the damnedest things.” Charlatans are all to aware of this and con men and women abound in every field where there is something to gain, even if only some notoriety.

    However, one of the most compelling criteria frequently adduced is personal revelation, and often such revelations are accompanied by reports of extraordinary mental or visual phenomena, such as night visions and even physical appearances. In fact, it is so common that the Roman Catholic Church has developed a protocol for investigating supernatural claims and specialists to apply it. There is even a “court” to adjudicate such claims, since many people involved are heavily invested in particular issues such as sainthood for a favorite, and several established miracles are among the criteria for sainthood. Thus, the process can become a political one, with heavy lobbying.

    My conclusion is that there are no absolute criteria regarding existential claims that are publicly available. Where probability leaves off, belief begins. The criterion in such matters as these comes down to personal conviction, perhaps even on strong evidence such as personal experience. But there is always a possibility of self-delusion and hallucination.

    Meher Baba addressed this issue in How Do You Know That I Am The Avatar? What he says essentially is that it takes one to know one.

    This is a huge issue in the field of philosophy of spirituality in that if some of these claims are true, the universe is a very different place than most people think. Moreover, if there actually is a perennial wisdom that would turn a lot of contemporary theory on its head.

    In my view it is the single most important issue to confront, which is why I specialized in it. I have come to my own conclusions about it. The first is that there are no universal rational criteria that are logically compelling enough to force acceptance of any claims that exceed publicly available criteria that are generally accepted as definitive. Secondly, wide divergence of experience makes experiential claims suspect.

    Thirdly, however, I have concluded that there is enough personal experience that is congruent with objective evidence to suggest that “there is more going on that meets the eye.” So one is best advised to refrain from rushing to judgment at either extreme, either of uncritical acceptance or skeptical reductionism.

    This is an evolving transdisciplinary field that is now coming in prominence in the West, where such phenomena are being subjected to rigorous Western scrutiny. Western methodologists are just scratching the surface at this point and are at the stage of developing suitable methods for conducting research, which involves “going meta.” This is at the cutting edge of ontology, epistemology, psychology, and cognitive science.

  2. Hey Tom,

    Wondering if you can give some references to authors that you feel are at the cutting edge.

  3. I would say that the transdisciplinary cutting edge in the most rigorous thinking is being coordinated at The Center for Consciousness Studies at the University of Arizona in Tucson, and through the Towards a Science of Consciousness conferences and Journal of Consciousness Studies.

    Complementary work is social systems and the environment based on study of complex adaptive systems is centered at the Santa Fe Institute.

    The most recent work in transpersonal psych is published in the Journal of Transpersonal Psychology.

    Cognitive Science: A Multidisciplinary Journal is the journal of the Cognitive Science Society.

    The International Journal of Transpersonal Studies is also an interdisciplinary journal specializing in consciousness and spirituality.

    These are peer-reviewed professional publications. There is a huge amount of popular stuff out there but it’s difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff unless one is up on the field. However, usually there is discussion and often heated debate on most of the interesting assertions, which can be found by searching online. A lot of the time, this is a record of clashing ideologies.

    My own view based on my personal experience is that one really has to go meta and get involved with “self-cultivation,” read widely in perennial wisdom and related fields, and if possible to align oneself with someone that one takes to have trod the path. When one takes this tack, doors may open.

  4. Tom, thanks for sharing some of your considerable knowledge. I think I mentioned once in an old thread that I don’t dismiss anything out of hand in this area, or in any area. Much of the time I simply don’t know. And if I don’t know, I try not to delude myself into thinking that I do know, but instead keep trying to find out.

  5. The principle that has served me well is, follow your heart and use your head, but know that it is always reasonable to go beyond reason to love — while realizing that most people’s way is more labyrinthian than linear, that life is emergent, and that serendipity and synchronicity rule.

  6. One of the obvious problems is cognitive bias, especially confirmation bias, and other is, of course, credulity. As they say, “some people believe the damnedest things.”

    Credulity only seems to go missing when there’s good reason to accept, as in the case of MMT. Then people resist like crazy. 🙂

  7. Credulity only seems to go missing when there’s good reason to accept, as in the case of MMT. Then people resist like crazy.

    Generally it is ideological bias, closely related to confirmation bias, investment bias, and emotional bias. When there is a good reason to accept an unfamiliar view that is foundational, it is accompanied by the disconcerting realization, at least subliminal, that it contradicts cherished assumptions which serve as ideological norms and therefore threaten the foundation of one’s worldview.

    For the most part humans identify their respective worldviews with reality, and most people’s consciousness is not flexible enough to adapt to shifting views of reality. This is a big reason that epistemological progress is one funeral at a time. It is also why people think that other with whom they disagree over fundamentals are either deluded or duplicitous, not realizing that they inhabit a different planet, so to speak.

    It also make is difficult for many if not most to get a grip on the teaching of perennial wisdom that ordinary “reality” is illusory. This is somewhat strange in that rigorous thinkers have realized for millennia that the naively held “commonsense” views of the world are inherently inconsistent and contradictory. This was also the outcome of science and a big reason for the development of science as a rigorous methodology to complement logical rigor.

    This is illustrated rather clearly in mainstream economics where people operate in terms of a shadow (model) of a shadow (worldview, ideology). As a result the theory describes an imaginary world, and the model is not predictive of events. But bias is so strong, there is resistance to changing the assumptions, including the methodological ones.

  8. Credulity only seems to go missing …

    Well nailed Tom!

    From another aspect phrasing it in terms of the ‘I’ there is:

    – the overwhelming urge to preserve the ‘I’
    – maintain self-worth of the ‘I’
    – protect the effort it took to construct the ‘I’
    – protect the accomplishments of the ‘I’
    – how to deal with doubt, fear and uncertainty which bother the ‘I’
    – how to change, learn, grow – but preserve the dignity of the ‘I’

    These kinds of pressures can affect mental, emotional and physical health.

    Hence the sayings about ‘teaching old dogs and new tricks, ignorance is bliss, what I don’t know wont hurt me, I don’t want to know about it’ …!

    Only when there is doubt is change possible: only an empty bucket can be filled – the bigger the empty bucket can expand (reasonable doubt) the more can go in there. I think that when people realise their bucket is empty they quickly see everybody elses is too – so that changes things.

    The ‘I’ is the magnetic and radiant pole that needs to change polarity or inclination!

    If one ever arrives at the point where it is seen clearly that the ‘I’ is just ‘modifications of the vrittis’ (mindstuff) [Patanjali] then that’s something of a relief (when there is something there that is real to replace it)!

  9. Right, this is why an economic philosophy based on self-interest does not result in greater utility in aggregate but greater disutility in aggregate owing to a high degree of friction in the system.

    Moreover, self-interest in the sense of utility maximization cannot lead to true happiness for individuals either, in that real happiness is not found in objectifying oneself in ownership of goods and possession of other individuals. That is actually voluntary self-imprisonment.

    In the larger sense, virtue ethics is consequentialist in addition to being transcendentalist, because, as Aristotle noted, happiness (eudaimonia) is the byproduct of virtue (arete). If you want to be truly happy strive to live the good life. This is the teaching of the sages worldwide across time.

    Then the questions become, what is the good life for man, and what is the good society, since according to Aristotle man is a social animal. This is what the roots of Western philosophy are about. Many of the Greek philosophers, Plato and Aristotle certainly among them, were quite similar to the Eastern sages.

    Failure to put economics on this footing results in all kinds of nonsense. As Aquinas says at the outset of De ente et essentia, paraphrasing Aristotle, “A small mistake at the beginning becomes a great one by the end.”

  10. Tom @ 1 March 2013 at 3:37 PM

    Golden words as we say! Not so many people seem to be open enough to such things.

  11. The dismissal of consideration of the divinity concept implies the risk that if it is like energy in the physical world, surely its no consideration must be give rise to unexpected events, in which pain can be included.

    The problem is compounded because from a scientific viewpoint “Does God Exist?” is a undecidable question. Either affirming or negating the hypothesis should have consequences empirically verifiable. There are no such known consequences, therefore, the question is undecidable for science as science has no accepted process to settle the question. Objectively, there is no much more to say.

    Yet, the possible answers can be logically developed. If God exists, what is it like to be a God, or the God, what is it like to be divine?

    If, as many myths contend, divinity crated the souls of humans and other beings, why would it created such souls as inferior to its one?

    It is more probable that divinity wanted or wants to create beings at least as divine as itself.

    One may assume that in this as-divine-as-itself is included the capability of completing forgetting or ignoring one’s true nature.

    That’s one explication for the plagued prosperity of human beings: the actual state of affairs reflect how humans (both 1 or 99%) forgot or ignore their true nature and see themselves as desperate, lost, ignorant, condemned, inferior beings rather the very powerful participants in divinity they are. Bit of cosmic tragicomedy.

    Paradise seems a very approachable state of being where the maximal pleasure of individual being coincides with the maximal pleasure of all beings. But of course it requires social cooperation, knowledge and manners. It would not be a good idea to let trolls in, like current days political or business decision makers. Rightfully, or so it seems, they are where they are: here in this species of hell.

    The interesting question is why are we also?

    Shouldn’t we have already left them behind?

  12. Paulo, I may have given a somewhat inaccurate impression of the Divine Truth message regarding divinity, energy and human potential. I have only watched and read a fraction of the material — there is a lot there — so keep in mind that these additional comments possibly do not depict their position quite right.

    My current understanding of the position is that God, being infinite, was learning/discovering/mastering infinitely before we began a process of doing so, since for us, according to Miller and Luck, our start of the process began with this life on earth, except for a small number who have reincarnated upon reaching ‘soul union’ in the celestial spheres.

    Entities that reach soul union and then, by their own free will, choose to reincarnate to perform some role, must re-learn or remember what they had learned in the spirit world. They remember completely only when reaching at-onement with God, which may or may not happen for them while on earth. Miller and Luck say that they are not yet at one with God in this lifetime on earth. If they don’t reach the 36th sphere while on earth, they will have to repeat the process in the spirit world. It will be easier for them this time round though, because they will remember everything once at the 7th sphere. Currently, they claim to remember a lot of their lives both in the first century on earth and in the spirit world, but not everything of relevance.

    Before this life, almost all of us (those of us who have not previously reached soul union) were not self aware of our own individual existence. The two halves of the soul split off to incarnate on earth, and the process began. In some respects, earth is a good teaching ground. If we progress our soul condition well while here, our capacity to learn in the spirit world will be greatly enhanced. If we reject love and truth on earth, causing our soul condition to degrade severely, we will start at a lower condition in the spirit world from where it is a more difficult process, but still ultimately achievable.

    Since our journey of discovery began infinitely after God’s, we will never be God, even though potentially we, like God, are infinite and can infinitely develop. At least, that is my current understanding of the position.

    The celestial beings in the highest current sphere in this universe are still learning and discovering, so there are still things about God and “the way” that they are not sure about. It takes new breakthroughs in understanding or knowing to open up a new sphere. In these spheres it is the celestial beings who create according to their will. But it is as if the superstructure was always there, provided by God, ready for when some of us reached that level. Since celestial beings are at one with God, from the 7th sphere onwards, their creations are in accord with divine love.

    Miller’s current thinking appears to be that we are being trained by God to be creators (perhaps even creator gods, I am not sure). If I am not mistaken, the reasoning is that God is a soul entity that is in soul union. Since at sphere 36 soul union occurs for us, at this point celestial beings are soul entities rather than spirit bodies. So the thought is that this is just the beginning. Then the real learning and discovery begins. But already in the lower celestial spheres, beings are creating all manner of things beyond our current comprehension with their free will in accord with divine love.

    Miller is very clear — perhaps I wasn’t in my post — that God is an entity separate, outside of, independent of the universe (and all universes except perhaps his/her own). The view is that God’s existence does not depend on the existence of the universe. The way communication occurs between God and us is through flows of energy. It is similar to macroeconomics. God, who is outside the universe, exogenously injects his divine love and other energies into the universe, which operates according to God’s laws. If we are open to these energies, by being in humility and longing for truth and divine love, our longing in the heart (prayer) flows out (leaks out) of the universe and is received or felt by God and we increasingly are able to receive divine love and be conscious of and interact with the various energies. Our soul condition improves.

    Paradise seems a very approachable state of being where the maximal pleasure of individual being coincides with the maximal pleasure of all beings. But of course it requires social cooperation, knowledge and manners. It would not be a good idea to let trolls in, like current days political or business decision makers. Rightfully, or so it seems, they are where they are: here in this species of hell.

    The interesting question is why are we also?

    If I am interpreting their position correctly, Miller and Luck would say that earth is a testing ground or school. If we seek truth and love in humility irrespective of how others in the world might be living, we are able to raise our soul condition and enter the spirit world in a higher state of love. This is true irrespective of our religious beliefs (or non-belief) about God. If we reject love and truth and seek to control and dominate others out of harmony with God’s laws, our soul condition degrades and we will initially enter the hells in a very low condition.

    In the spirit world, according to Miller and Luck, it is always possible for those in a higher condition to visit those in a lower condition, but not the reverse. The former happens because those in higher condition try to help those in lower condition to reach a higher sphere. This is in harmony both with natural love and divine love.

    However, those in a low soul condition may experience a great deal of resistance to such guidance, or may even be distrustful of it, due to false beliefs and denial of causal emotions underlying what may on the surface be experienced as hatred, anger or fear.

  13. To whom it might concern:

    Please bear with me as I am not much into spirituality and I imagine the questions I am going to ask are profoundly stupid :

    (1) why everybody seems to assume that there is **one** god, in singular?
    (2) why is this god supposed to be much wiser than us, if not outright perfect?

  14. (1) why everybody seems to assume that there is **one** god, in singular?
    (2) why is this god supposed to be much wiser than us, if not outright perfect?

    That is a characteristic of the”God of our fathers” of the Abrahamic faiths. This is a personal God although formless.

    There are many other conceptions of the ultimate metaphysical principle, personal and impersonal and with and without form. Some POV’s are a combination thereof. It’s actually quite a broad range when one gets into studying it.

    Take the Greek and Roman gods. They had human-like foibles, or perhaps we should say that for the ancient Greeks and Romans humans we believed to have god-like foibles.

  15. I suppose I have to put in my 2/- worth about all of this!!

    If I go to Spain I am me. If I go to the USA I am me. If I go to anywhere from the 36th sphere to infinity (-1) I will still be me. Warts and all. I am not a half of anybody last time I looked? If I merge with the infinite I will not be me and if I cease to exist I will not be me. Actually, I am very happy just to be me.

    Why?

    Because if the infinite is everywhere it is also in me.

    What was the religion before the Buddha existed; or even the whole universe existed?

    Truth has nothing to do with concepts, Greece, Spain, any spheres that may or may not exist.

    Truth can only be singular if it is infinite and ‘wiser’ than us only if it is perfect. A teacher is known by his students.

    The question is: does something like truth exist inside of you? If so, do you want to get to it and why?

    Probably no need to have invented the ‘Heterodox Spirituality’ category peterc – ‘Humour’ has a wonderfully broad foundation! Are you sure you are not just trying to work through the vestiges of childhood conditioning?

  16. Are you sure you are not just trying to work through the vestiges of childhood conditioning?

    There’s little doubt about that. 🙂

    Probably no need to have invented the ‘Heterodox Spirituality’ category peterc – ‘Humour’ has a wonderfully broad foundation!

    I’ll concede that life itself is ‘Humor’. But I don’t see why ‘Economics’ should be its only sub-category. Having said that, after this post I put up another that doesn’t really fit into any category, so I will reluctantly retire ‘Heterodox Spirituality’ and collapse it, music, and whatever else I use as a strategy to avoid economics into a new, pristine ‘Other Stuff’ category. It shall be my favorite category, and one to create doubt over whether I ever again plan to write about economics.

    I will also concede that the ‘soul mate’ idea does not overly resonate with me. I think life is better in many ways before people start pairing off. It’s not just about being single and independent. It’s also partially shutting yourself off, and being shut off, from all but one person. But, then, I see the family as a regressive institution and the suburbs as ‘the hells’. Maybe from the 36th sphere, I would see things differently. 36 is a perfect square.

    What was the religion before the Buddha existed; or even the whole universe existed?

    Truth has nothing to do with concepts, Greece, Spain, any spheres that may or may not exist.

    Truth can only be singular if it is infinite and ‘wiser’ than us only if it is perfect. A teacher is known by his students.

    The question is: does something like truth exist inside of you? If so, do you want to get to it and why?

    Here you are sounding like Jesus and Mary of Kingaroy. They just want to talk about receiving truth and divine love in humility, how words and concepts won’t do, and that it has to be felt in the heart. Please. Tell us more about the spheres!

    Truth can only be singular if it is infinite and ‘wiser’ than us only if it is perfect.

    I may have misrepresented their position on the perfection aspect. It is not clear to me if, in their view, God is, was, and always will be (etc.) perfect or instead evolved to be greater and greater over time. In retrospect, possibly the former, but it is not clear to me on the material I have viewed.

    My misunderstanding, if it is one, may be a result of Post Keynesian and TSSI conditioning in which everything is considered temporally. It is hard to conceive of something always having been there, complete in itself, just as it is hard to think of nothing existing, if the perspective is one of historical time, as it is in Post Keynesian and TSSI theorizing. It seems that these approaches to economics are insufficiently general to apply to what is, was, and always will be, or conversely, to what isn’t, wasn’t, and never will be. A mark against them, surely!

  17. ADDENDUM:

    jrbarch, the thought occurs that my initial quip about childhood conditioning, which was in response to your quip on the same topic, might give the impression that I had an unhappy childhood. That is not true at all. However, I am told by my parents that I was a very literal child who took very seriously indeed anything taught by anybody anywhere.

    Considering that I studied mainstream economics for seven years before breaking free, this tendency continued even into adulthood.

    However, I have since learned to consider all viewpoints without necessarily accepting or rejecting them. Having learned this lesson, it is now as literally understood as all earlier, false lessons. This is why the claim that the universe currently has 36 dimensions is given the same sober deliberation as all other perspectives here at heteconomist. At the very least, it seems more interesting than most the other stuff I post.

  18. Am sure you delight the family heart peterc! Please forgive me if I have trodden on ethereal 7thDA toes … I mean no harm!!

    Having the broadest view possible is always good insurance. Being able to compartmentalise too. For example you should not mix up what I try (apparently very unsuccessfully) to explain with spherical deliberations and notions of identity as mantle. It is in reality so simple, but as soon as anyone opens their mouth it becomes that much more complicated!

    You are right that mind gets boggled when it considers both ‘infinity’ and ‘nothing’. I have tried to establish that mind is the wrong tool for the job: the infinite can only be felt. It is a matter for that sublime tool of sentiency we each have within us we call the ‘heart’. Because people do not recognise this feeling (or particular vibration?) within themselves (they use the tool in other ways) they deny its existence – very understandable. It is the heart that will declare the infinite – even then, the mind will be left to puzzle over it! That is a practical statement. There are no university degrees involved. Kabir’s heart danced! The reality of that feeling eclipsed everything else.

    Have left a little sound-bite in my DropBox that illustrates this problem of a practical solution and perhaps why I think ‘Humour’ is still a good category for all things ‘spiritual’ (PR as a child):Practical solution Just want to try and hint at, at least one aspect of the type of feeling we might encounter!

    The words are not clear but everything else is. Now what can a child know?

    However, I realise I am talking to people’s minds and I am trying to see whether or not I can produce a series of concepts that will at least lead some to be curious about the possibility that there is something within them that they can get in touch with. I don’t want to lose touch with practical everyday common sense, nor indulge in flights of phantasy or theory. Logic should be able to prevail for what it is worth. However, eating the dish is so much better than reading the recipe books or discussing or theorising over many constituents. I am not ‘fishing’ or ‘converting’ – just trying to provide enough logic to the whole process to make it comfortable. It is up to the heart and a little good fortune to do the rest. As I have said once before: for people that know how to feel, logic is not necessary – for people that know how to think, it’s kind of like a handicap in some ways but beneficial in the long run; for both understanding must be there.

    I also believe this feeling has the potential to have a profound impact on other arenas of human existence.

    I am not sure about the logical progression for the mind in relation to Was, Is, Will Be (perhaps somebody can help out) but as always, logic leaves you at exactly the same point of departure (as above) because of its closed circuit:

    – If in the beginning there was nothing
    – Then nothing exists
    – If there were something
    – Then something has always existed
    – The universe is contained within this something and is a conditioned symbol of it
    – This something is beyond the range and reach of all human thought or expression: – (doesn’t seem to stop us though …)!!
    – This something is said to be zero or infinite (0) and the manifest universe(s) (1) (2) (3) …. finite
    – The finite ‘appears’ to be finite because it changes and has metrics
    – (0) of course is also ‘within’ the human being and is known through feeling (the closest we can ever get to the Infinite and all that we can ever ‘know’ or absorb it)
    – (1) (2) (3) we can establish some ‘concrete’ knowledge about but they are forever changing, maybe disappearing altogether …. Some people state they change under our gaze or butterfly wing flapping is a concern (our existence is recognisably fragile)

    So, in the human being the Infinite and the finite have come together for a very brief period of time (25,550 days) – that is our opportunity. That is who we are. Most people think their existence is all about what they do? Or what is happening on TV?

    PR : “If I have lost my wallet, should I look in other people’s pockets or my own”?

    A teacher is someone who teaches how to look within and makes sure that the student finds what they are looking for. The heart does not measure – it simply knows what it is looking for (by design). When it finds what it is looking for it dances!

    That’s about it!

    Then a JIG makes a lot of sense (besides nobody in their right mind would employ me)!

  19. Please forgive me if I have trodden on ethereal 7thDA toes …

    jrbarch, there’s no chance of that! Your comments are always challenging in a good way and never the least bit offensive.

  20. practical everyday common sense = sense, recognisably common to every human being on the planet, e.g.

    – the good in me sees the good around me
    – the beauty in me sees the beauty around me
    – the music in me appreciates the music around me
    – the anger in me is blind
    – the prejudice in me is blind
    – the hope in me is my shield

    My starting point is always ‘Being’ peter; as you say, mind can display little common sense.

    Thanks for your reassurance!

    It’s difficult when you can’t see a face or look into eyes – at least then, you can tell (when they glaze over) you are not being understood!!

    Just to tease – then there is the uncommon sense [Lord Krishna in the Gita]: This knowledge is a sovereign science, a sovereign secret, supremely holy, most excellent, directly enjoyable, attended with virtue, very easy to practice and imperishable

  21. Peter,

    I need your help. In my “The Big Challenge” studies I’ve stumbled on the “law of decreasing marginal returns”…

    One of my prehistoric books (C.E. Ferguson and J.P. Gould’s “Microeconomic Theory”, 2nd Spanish edition, 1978, re-printed in 1982) contains this passage:

    “(…) It is worth to underline that the ‘law of decreasing marginal returns’ is, in reality, an _empirical_ statement about reality. It is _not_ a theorem derived from an axiomatic system; it is _not_ a logical proposition susceptible to proof or mathematical refutation. (…)” (my translation).[*]

    The book itself does not offer any reference to where this empirical evidence could be found and, try as hard as I did, I could not find any on my own. Modern textbooks are even less helpful: they just introduce this “law” with just-so stories, all of them set in agricultural settings (which, btw, are strongly reminiscent of Malthus).

    I asked others — as I know every time I raise the subject of “The Big Challenge” here, some are bound to feel outraged –, but it was to no avail. Nobody seems to have any other information on this.

    So, my questions are: Who first discovered this “law” and on what basis (empirical, as Ferguson and Gould say, or a priori deduction)? Has anyone ever attempted to test it empirically? Is there any evidence, however shaky, supporting this “law”?

    Don’t feel bad if you don’t know the answers, as this seems to be one of those unsolvable mysteries surrounding neoclassical economics.

    [*] This seems to be a more modern English edition:
    http://www.amazon.com/Microeconomic-Theory-The-Irwin-economics/dp/0256021570

  22. I can’t really help you there, Magpie, other than to say that to my knowledge there is no empirical evidence that the “law” is applicable to output below full capacity in the dominant manufacturing or services sectors.

  23. Peter,

    “to output below full capacity in the dominant manufacturing or services sectors”

    That’s the interesting bit, very precisely!

    (I) below full capacity _and_ (II) manufacturing and services

  24. Hey Pete

    As a follow up to the previous comments (RE decreasing returns) I managed to trace the whole issue back to John Bates Clark. And I am very excited with what I found.

    Although the notion of diminishing returns is older, its application was considered strictly limited to agriculture.

    It seems Clark was the one who claimed to have generalized the law of decreasing returns to manufacturing and services (“The Distribution of Wealth”, Chap. xi. “The productivity of social labor dependent on its quantitative relation to capital”) in 1899 [*]. Apparently, micro101 textbooks reflect this claim, without openly crediting Clark for it.

    Curiously, Clark’s reasoning was not universally accepted by his fellow mainstream contemporaries. Alfred Marshall, who became very influential in neoclassical circles during the early 20th century, based himself in other things.

    I find this curious, because, if Clark was right, the application of Euler’s homogeneous function theorem to the problem of distribution is straight-forward and we get the trinity formula, based in the marginal productivities of labour and capital.

    I’ve read Clark and, if you have read him, I’d like to hear your views. (Let me just advance the comment that he failed to impress me).

    Additionally, wouldn’t this issue have been discussed during the Cambridge Capital Controversies?

    (As a curious aside, I’ve learned that Carl Menger’s son, Karl, apparently was – by one of those wonderful ironies of life – very critical of the “proofs” of the law; but I haven’t been able to find the relevant works.)

    [*] It seems a previous paper had a somewhat less elaborate argument.

  25. Tom,

    The issue with people like you is that after reading you, i do not feel uplifted. My heart has not been moved. My brain has not been enlightened.
    You quote others and do not teach. AJ Miller is a better teacher than you ; a teacher one can agree or disagree with. He does not need to take notes and he does not prepare what he speaks off. He is the real deal. He is thought provoking in the good sense of the term. You can have a real and deep discussion that captures your full intellect and your heart connection. This is true humanism. So to all academics out there, I urge you! Be real! Where are the heart felt emotions? Where is the passion? Open up and stop hiding behind the ego self. I love you Tom. Peace. Raphael

  26. Hello PeterC
    Your summary on 1 March 2013 is very well done and reflects the enormous amount of information that you have reviewed.

    The writings following on from James Padgett (1914 to 1923) are extensive and continue today at a much greater frequency than even a few years ago.

    The Padgett Messages have now been completed and several publications by those who wrote 100 years ago provide a greater clarity for all to consider today. I will post the references and outline those items that have been clarified in the last few years.

    cheers for now, John.

  27. DIVINE LOVE POINTS:
    Within the Padgett Messages, being the initial set of teachings of some 2,500 messages, are the writings of more than 250 authors. These works commenced on 31 May,1914, and continue today:

    (available through http://www.lulu.com )
    Padgett Messages (Book of Truths by Joseph Babinsky) 1914 – 1923 693 pages
    True Gospel Revealed anew by Jesus Vol I, II, III, IV 1914 – 1923 1,840
    Revelations via Dr Daniel Samuels 1954 – 1963
    New Testament Revelations by Jesus of Nazareth 155
    76 Sermons on the Old Testament 190
    Judas of Kerioth published by Geoff Cutler 2001 – 2003 676
    The Richard Messages Vol I via James Reid 2012 – 2013 312
    The Divine Universe via Zara Borthwick & Nicholas Arnold 2012 – 2013 459
    Shining Toward Spirit Vol I, II, III via Zara & Nicholas 2014 – 2015 575
    Also visit: http://new-birth.net/
    Consider commencing your investigation with Shining Toward Spirit (www.lulu.com).
    The first publication of the Padgett Messages in chronological order was published in 2008. All of the additional material has been published since then. Major references and sources of material are also found at http://www.new-birth.net and http://www.pascashealth.com within the Pascas library section.

    The Three Great Truths: Shining Toward Spirit vol I – message 181
    • “God is Soul;
    • that each individual soul is a finite individual;
    • and that the Divine Love is freely available for all to receive.”

    God’s Divine Love; pray for it, ask for it, and receive it.

    What follows is an introductory point-form summary:

    • The Christian doctrine of the trinity is a false teaching. The Source Soul is God alone.
    • Jesus was just a regular person who realized a way to at-onement with God while still on earth, a way that can be followed by all.
    • God is a soul entity, outside and independent of the universe. The universes are creations of the Father.
    • Neither Jesus nor anybody else is, or ever can be, God.
    • By the term ‘holy spirit’ in the first century Jesus meant one of the energies of God, specifically the energy that enables at-onement (other energies of God include the energy of creativity and the energy of life). The spirit conveys the substance of Divine Love to those who ask to receive it. Divine Love is a light blue energy substance.
    • The doctrine of the crucifixion as a sacrifice for the sins of others is a false teaching.
    • God is loving, not punishing or vengeful.
    • The path to God is either through the ‘law of compensation’ (karma) or ‘divine love’ (which Jesus called ‘the way’).
    • God creates each soul as one half of a whole (‘soulmates’) that can eventually become eternal partners in the spirit worlds after individualising / incarnating separately on earth and then entering and advancing further in the spirit and celestial realms.
    • Each complete soul separates into two complete and separate souls, the two halves become two individualised personalities, one being male and the other as female – always.
    • Reincarnation as normally taught is a false teaching. When a viable embryo is formed, a pre- existing soul half is drawn to the embryo, the spirit body for the embryo is created by the arriving soul. The soul then proceeds to nest within the spirit body never to be separated from that spirit body. The soul cannot be torn away from the spirit body which retains the appearance that we recognize with the physical body.
    • It is impossible to re-incarnate due to the soul being embedded within a spirit body.
    • It is impossible even for Jesus to re-incarnate. No one has ever re-incarnated.
    • The highest numbered sphere throughout the spirit worlds and celestial heavens is 10. Subsequent spheres actually overlap and consequently numbering becomes impossible.
    • There are 6 spirit world spheres. Spheres 1, 2, 4, and 6 are natural love dominated spheres. That is, the spirit personalities that progress through these spheres generally are unaware of the Father’s Divine Love. For those who embrace the availability of the Father’s Divine Love they will typically progress from the 1st sphere and then to spheres 3, 5 and 7. The 7th sphere is the transitional sphere into the Celestial Heavens being spheres 8, 9 and 10. These spheres are all within our local solar system.
    • There are 6 spirit world spheres that can be traversed through ‘natural love’ (irrespective of beliefs, and utilizing the love with which God is said to have imbued us). Our souls are created from the energy substance of ‘natural love’. There is nothing of the divine within our souls at the time of our creation.
    • The 7th sphere (transitional) can only be reached through ‘divine love’ which requires genuine longing for God’s divine truth and love in humility (this is ‘the way’).
    • The step of becoming at one with the Father is the point that one enters the Celestial Heavens. The Celestial Heavens are within our solar system. You can progress through the Celestial Heavens to the Eternal Spheres and further on to the Spheres of Paradise. These subsequent spheres are not numbered as many overlap, all being homes for spirit personalities at differing soul conditions.
    • Humility has a special definition, in this context, as a longing to feel one’s emotions so as to release negative emotions (without acting upon them) and embracing gifts. ‘The Way’ is the process of asking for and receiving the Father’s Love, the Divine Love. The Divine Love energy perfects our natural love and progressively dissolves emotional injuries and damage that may have become encrusted around our soul which is also our personality.
    • ‘Prayer’ also has a particular definition, referring to a genuine longing for God’s truth and love, felt in the heart, not in words spoken aloud or in the mind. Mindlessly repeated learnt prayers are pointless.
    • God never communicates with us through words, only through feelings.
    • If we hear words or voices, they are those of spirits, who, depending on their ‘fruits’ may be discerned as loving (and higher than us, seeking to help us) or unloving. The content of the communication will identify the level of love of the spirit person connecting with you.
    • It is always possible for a spirit person to visit spheres lower than the one they have currently attained but normally not higher spheres (although occasionally this can occur, if deemed appropriate, with the help of someone from a higher sphere). The energy of a higher personality can be very discomforting for a personality from within a sphere of lower soul conditions.
    • Jesus was the first on this planet (though not the first if other planets are included) to reach the Celestial Heavens, but by now many others on this planet have also reached them.
    • Jesus of the first century, when he died, entered the 1st natural love sphere, like all of us will do. He then proceeded to open the divine love spheres 3, 5, and 7, and continued on to open the Celestial Heavens spheres 8, 9, and 10. This he did before his resurrection.
    • This is the highest a human has ever been able to enter within the spirit world straight from earth.
    • We all enter the spirit world straight into the 1st sphere (which has many levels). After a period of acclimatizing so to speak, we are then drawn to the location where our soul condition bests suits us for, some in the 2nd, and a rare few in the 3rd. Many are drawn to the lower Spheres of Disharmony of which there are three.
    • Nevertheless, life goes on in the spirit world, where progress can continue indefinitely.
    • At-onement with God is required before entering the 8th sphere, and this can only be done through the receiving of divine love. It is the receiving of and the blending of Divine Love with our natural love soul that perfects our soul.
    • Perfection in natural love is sufficient to be in the 6th sphere (which is said to have been the original level of the Garden of Eden). Our first parents, Aman and Amon, where the first ensouled beings and consequently were without sin / emotional error or injury at the start of their ensouled life.
    • Since ‘the fall’ (which is said to have involved humans wanting or believing themselves to be god and living independently of the Father), the state of earth has descended to the equivalent of the hells (the three Spheres of Disharmony being lower than sphere 1) in the spirit worlds.
    • However, sphere 1 has many levels, the highest of which are much better than the current state of earth, while the lowest are worse.
    • Children who die young or are unborn enter ‘Summerland’, which is the top of the 1st sphere, and receive further instruction. ‘Summerland’ is like earth perfected.
    • So, for each soul, there is really just one (potentially infinite) life that continues from the material earthly life through the spirit life. Reincarnation does not occur, nor is it a loving concept or necessary.
    • A personality has a soul, spirit body and material body. The spirit body is the template for the physical body and the home in which the soul nests itself.
    • The spirit body has more capabilities than the material body, and increasingly so as the state of the soul progresses.
    • Art, music, science, philosophy, etc., continue in the spirit world, at a higher level than currently occurs on earth (except in the lowest parts of the 1st sphere and the spheres of disharmony).
    • Actions on earth affect the state of the soul, both positively and negatively, and the effects continue to be worked through in the spirit body when within the spirit world.
    • There is no Satan or devil, although the many degraded souls are currently worse than any Satan we could probably imagine.
    • Even so, the hells are not a permanent state, unless chosen by the soul, and all can eventually reach at-onement with God if they desire it.
    • Like attracts like: the current state of the soul determines one’s location in the spirit world, and this location will be populated by like-minded spirits. There is spirit world gravity, it is the matching of the gravity with one’s soul condition that draws a soul to a specific location of habitat.
    • Death of the material body can be confusing because of false beliefs accumulated on earth through religion, philosophy, politics, science, etc. Most personalities do not readily realise that they have ‘died’ upon entering one of the receiving stations within the 1st spirit world sphere.
    • Accordingly, there are still different religious beliefs (including atheism), ideologies, etc., in the first 6 spheres of the spirit world. Those who embrace divine love readily abandon earth based religions upon entering the 3rd or 5th spirit world sphere.
    • The best attitude is never to be adamant about beliefs that are not really known to be true, but rather to be open to truth (be in humility).
    • With this attitude, progress can be quite rapid in the spirit world, because spirits in higher states are keen to help spirits in lower states if they are willing to learn new truth. A personality who is self- reliant may find himself stuck in one location for centuries upon centuries, whereas others who become god-reliant and embrace the Father’s Divine Love may typically progress into the Celestial Heavens within around three years.
    • This process also occurs on earth, but because of the low state of earth, many of the influences are negative (since even spirits in the lowest condition of love have access to the earth sphere).
    • Here, too, like attracts like: negative spirits are attracted to those in a negative state on earth, while higher spirits seek to help those receptive to reaching a higher state.
    • However, we are all a mix of positive and negative, and so are subjected to both positive and negative influences, which require discernment.
    • Closed-mindedness holds back progress; for instance, a guru perfect in natural love who believes him or herself to be god would be temporarily stuck (albeit blissfully) in the 6th sphere.
    • At-onement involves not only acting lovingly but wanting to act in that way; for example, adulterous thoughts are “adultery in the heart”.
    • Wanting to act in accordance with love is possible by processing (but not acting upon) the ‘causal emotions’ underneath the unloving desire. By far the most effective way to grow in soul condition is to ask for and receive the Father’s Divine Love. The receiving of the Father’s love will set in motion the dissolving of causal negative emotions, slowly bringing about a perfection of one’s soul condition.
    • Love does not demand anything of anybody else or seek to control, and is self-fulfilled, so sometimes what we think of as “loving” is not, and vice versa.
    • For example, if something feels like self-sacrifice it is unloving to self, so either the recipient of the act is being unloving in receiving it or the actor does not yet have desires in accord with love.
    • The material body is connected to the spirit body by a ‘silver cord’.
    • In the sleep state, the spirit body (which does not need rest) can engage with other people in the sleep state or with spirit personalities. Thought travels faster than the speed of light. We are each transmitters and receivers with specific frequency. In this way we can connect with anyone we focus upon and communicate with them.
    • It is possible to remember the sleep state activities of the spirit body, but we usually don’t.
    • A dream just before waking is usually our spirit body trying to send our material mind a message to help us remember something relevant to our emotional state.
    • Alternatively, though less frequently, a dream can be a snippet remembered from the sleep state.
    ‘The First Religion: The Sacred Inspired Books were written for the purpose of teaching early man religion; therefore, man’s first religion was the teachings of the Sacred Books. The basis of this religion was Love. Man’s Love for the Heavenly Father and His works. The Divine Love of the Heavenly Father for His son Man. (refer to works by Col James Churchwood)

    ‘Every teaching was plain and simple without a particle of theology. The most ignorant could understand every phrase in it. There was nothing of any kind indefinite. It was impossible not to understand it thoroughly. Man was taught to approach the Heavenly Father, not with fear or dread, but with confidence, and above all, Love: as a child would run to its earthly father who is standing with outstretched arms to receive it. Love stood at the head of the 12 great virtues, because Love governs the Universe and the Heavenly Father is The Great Love.

    ‘After studying the teachings of these writings, if one were asked, “Where is God’s greatest temple on earth?” One should answer: “In the heart of man; the perfect temple for the adoration of God; the perfect temple for silent meditation and Love; the temple available at all times and in all places, any hour of the day or night, whether it be in crowded city or desert plain, for the Love and Adoration of the Heavenly and the temple where man can become at one with the Heavenly Father.” Tell me, what other temple can fill its place?’ P204 The Children of Mu

    Now, the 20th Century has been blessed by the wisdom of writings from hundreds of Celestial Spirits, and these writings continue today.

    The great gift of the Father’s Love, Divine Love, was re-bestowed upon man some 2,000 years ago. The knowledge of this gift progressively faded from man’s records and memory throughout the 1st and 2nd century until in 325AD at the Nicean Council in Constantinople all record of the gift of Divine Love was lost.

    Now, with the ever escalating flow of teachings from the Celestial Heavens, the knowledge of the availability of Divine Love, what it is, and how to ask and receive it, are being freely shared throughout all corners of Earth, never to be lost again.

    God’s Divine Love: Pray for it, ask for it, and receive it.

    Our salvation IS the availability of Divine Love.

    Please Father, may I receive Your LOVE.

    “Every day is a day of devotion.”

    Follow your heart, follow your love and do what in loving action, your inner love leads in your asking the Soul of God to receive a little of the Love.

    “I love you Father.” “Let the Divine Love proclaim its energy into my soul.”

    “Father, I desire your Love and I am loving you.”

    “Soul God, I love you and I love receiving and experiencing your Divine Love.”

    “True Soul God, I am here, I am aware of your Love. Please hear my aspiration for your Love and as I approach you from my soul, I can feel your Love in the way that you are loving my soul.”

    Try it; give the Love a go! If you want to shine, receive the Love.

    One can simply receive the Love without following any religious or spiritual teaching taught by man!

    DIVINE LOVE – what does it do?

    The divine gift from asking for and receiving divine love will steadily, but with certainty, raises one’s quality of life and also of all those around such person who is seeking and receiving this love.

    The receiving of divine love, which is a substance, with certainty, progressively:

     Raises one’s love for those around them.
     Raises one’s perception of all things – naturally grows one’s intelligence – soul intelligence.
     Enables one to feel and resolve negative emotional issues – melts them away.
     Humility becomes self evident. Humility enables one to feel their errors and emotions.
     Divine love dissolves errors, emotional stress and untruths.
     Divine love, by assisting with the removal of emotional errors, enhances one’s health.
     Divine love enables one to become more childlike – not adult serious at all times.
     Divine love raises one’s capability of feeling – no longer needing to be controlling.
     By becoming feeling orientated, one no longer is mind / intellectually dominated.
     The weapon to fight and overcome sin / error is the Divine Love.
     The Law of Compensation process is more readily resolved with Divine Love.
     Receipt of divine love grows our faith.
     As our faith grows our intensity to ask and then receive divine love grows.
     We begin to follow our passions and desires, no longer fear driven.
     Truth being told at all times then progressively becomes a way of life.
     Our quality of life blossoms, our finances and relationships prosper.
     Man creates his own environment, seeking divine love can vastly improve one’s environment.
     Health carers receiving divine love achieve healing outcomes beyond comprehension.
     Receiving divine love may bring a struggling marriage back into harmony.
     You become God / Creator dependent, not self dependent.
     Personal growth in love directly assists the soul condition growth of one’s children.
     Divine love escalates one’s rate of soul condition growth.
     Divine love is a substance that perfects the human natural love soul to that of the Divine.
     Without divine love, one cannot progress into the Celestial Spheres (8th sphere and higher).
     Divine love enables everlasting Love and Life in His mansions of the Celestial Heavens.

    “The Law of Compensation doesn’t operate on isolated actions, but on the overall condition of people’s souls, because the deeds are the consequence of this condition. Our behaviour is the reflection of our souls. Never see isolated deeds, always see souls whose condition leads to certain deeds. It is the soul condition which determines the motive and consequently the action. It is our lack of trust in God, this ultimate and definitive trust, which only soul development may give us. This lack is why we suffer.”
    Judas of Kerioth 5th October 2001

    As you grow in love, illness issues abate, financial security improves, and your treatment of your fellow man is the same as how you would like to be treated. You grow in natural intelligence, your perception on many subjects becomes profoundly more loving and supportive of and for your way of life and how you interact with your fellow man.

    This quality of life and love permeates and extends into every facit of your physical life and continues to grow as you progress on your journey within the spirit world.

    Your capabilities to ask for and receive divine love is a gift between you and your creator, God. You do not need an intermediator, nor do you need to join with any organization. This is your own personal journey and experience. You can share this with others, but no one can take it away from you.

    This Love will elevate the human soul to a condition that it may perceive the spiritual truths which God has waiting to be revealed to His children who aspire to understand the nature of the divine and what their true relationship to Him and their family of souls is.

    “Keep faith with God, and be open to His Love, and you will overcome with confidence and, indeed, peace of mind, optimism and happiness, those circumstances that seem to mar the fulfillment of your years.” Mary (mother)

    Natural Love Flow Divine Love Flow
    You can swap back and forwards between paths

    Natural Love Flow

    I am God
    Intellectual
    Self reliant (trust myself)
    Self-determination way of life
    Mind dominates
    Adult like
    Control
    Millions of paths (man created)
    Peak possibility is 6th sphere
    time to complete path:
    100 years to over 1,000 years

    Divine Love Flow

    I am God’s son/daughter/child
    Emotional
    God reliant (God relationship)
    Soul-spirit living harmony
    Soul dominates
    Child like
    Feeling
    Defined path (God created)
    Peak possibility is infinity
    (sphere / dimension are same)
    2.5 years to over 3 years to at-onement

    “Never can one man do more for another man than by making it known of the availability of Divine Love.” JD

    ‘The difference between what are regarded as two paths, the Natural Love Path and the Divine Love Path, is, essentially, the amount of Divine Love that beings have been able to acquire.’ Quote from Celestial Spirit Richard 22 Dec 2012

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